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Monday, September 03, 2007

Aoun-Sense: Fun With Micho

But first and more important: Congratulations to the Lebanese Army for winning the long fight at Nahr el Bared. The cost was very high with 158 soldiers killed and many wounded. The nation should be humbled and very grateful.

In a blurb on Naharnet:

Aoun: March 14 'Bunch of Corrupt People'

Free Patriotic Movement leader General Michel Aoun lashed out at the majority March 14 Alliance, saying they "are nothing but a bunch of corrupt people."

No big scoop there Micho. Is that worth a press release? Now you, Michel Aoun, have been working with the likes of Nabih Berri and Michel Murr, certainly no strangers to corruption and abuse of power. Do they have a dimension beyond “corruption” which makes them acceptable in your eyes? I mean other than supporting you politically for their own personal and corrupt ends.
"They [M14] dare not share power with anyone, not even partially, because they are a bunch of corrupt people," Aoun told supporters who visited him at his residence in Rabiyeh.

OK Micho, if you “share power” it’s automatically “partially”. See, if it’s not “partially” then they have all of the power or you have all of it. In either case it’s not “sharing” anymore. I know some words are difficult for you to understand. Look them up. I suggest you start with: “constitution”, “quorum”, “tire burning” and “legal protest” among others.

"They [M14] should not be permitted to choose the next President for Lebanon," Aoun insisted.

Let’s say they are corrupt, and many are as are many of your allies. The constitution (get a copy) says that sitting MPs get to vote in the presidential election. It does not say that only “clean” MPs approved by Micho get to vote. Then again, we could amend the constitution to say that, and we could make it “for one time only” just for kicks.

He [Aoun] said talk about electing a new head of state by a two-thirds quorum or a half-plus-one of MPs has become "like a dancing game."

You’re right on this one, except that you and your friends are in the middle of the dance and totally out of step (again, read the constitution).

"…No. We do not choose Iran as a substitute for America nor Syria in place of America," Aoun said. "Instead, we choose peace instead of civil war."
Well, maybe not you, but what about your Hezbo friends. They chant “Death to America” and have pictures of Khomeini and Khameini everywhere. I’d venture to say they made a choice.

As to “peace over civil war”, that makes you different from your opponents? Are they actively seeking the inverse? Civil war over peace? Would anyone on planet earth make that choice? (Which makes the statement obvious and empty).

More low-level trash-talk can be found there (Daily Star), where Aoun calls some opponents “kitties” and they call him a “coward” and then Aoun’s office says they’re “childish”…


  • At 9/3/07, 9:34 PM, Anonymous Patrick said…

    "As to “peace over civil war”, that makes you different from your opponents? Are they actively seeking the inverse? Civil war over peace? Would anyone on planet earth make that choice?"

    Of course they would, you naive cowboy ! They did it in the past and they would do it again if they think it serves their narrow personal or sectarian interests.

    By the way, you've been blogging for years and not once have you written a post criticizing peace loving militia hunks like Joumblatt or Geagea (who have never and would never make the choice of civil war.)

    Maybe you're just as one sided as "Micho", which makes your statements "obvious and empty".

  • At 9/3/07, 10:06 PM, Blogger JoseyWales said…

    By the way, you've been blogging for years and not once have you written a post criticizing peace loving militia hunks like Joumblatt or Geagea (who have never and would never make the choice of civil war.)

    2 years blogging Patrick, and you don't read me carefully, example:

    Walid Joumblatt is cool, NOT

    Search for others.

    Recently both Joumblatt and Geagea have been making sense and talking about avoiding war and working through the legal process.

    I look at actions and words not just the past. People and things change.

    I look at positions and issues not people. I criticized Joumblatt in the past. I would have rather seen all warlords in jail than Geagea freed. I was a supporter of Aoun before he lost his mind.

    And if you find me naive and empty and/or you can't read properly, fell free to go elsewhere.

  • At 9/3/07, 10:44 PM, Blogger Bad Vilbel said…

    Great post, Josey.

    It's a shame that there isn't any way to get this kind of breakdown of Aoun (or anyone else for that matter) to the Lebanese people at large (say on LBC or whatever other station).

    These "leaders" spout such a bunch of nonesense. And it seems to work at confusing the people and making them lose sight of actual facts, actual laws and constitution, and the very simple definition of concepts such as Democracy, voting, etc.

    Aoun's comments seem so childish, it amazes me that he gets the following that he does. That people continue to get suckered by empty rhetoric (which is all that this is).

    His comment about M14 not sharing power and keeping it to themselves sounds a lot like a kid on the soccer field, complaining that the other team won't give him the ball.
    Is it so hard to understand that in a democracy, with a constitution in place, the people vote for MPs and the MPs vote for president. So yes, they have the right to choose the president based on a majority of votes. The president doesn't have to be approved by EVERYONE. He has to be voted in by a MAJORITY (putting aside whether that's a 2/3 or 50%+1 for now).

    Presidents get elected by 51% of the vote (Bush), 60% (Sarkozy), etc. There will always be that other 49% who voted for the other guy. That's how it works.

    The only place in the world where presidents get elected by 100% of the vote are places like Syria or Egypt. Is that what Aoun wants?

  • At 9/4/07, 8:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Missed your pointed comments amigo.
    As to the "tit for tat" on Aoun, I agree with vilbel. I just got back from a short vacation in Libnan where many of what I consider my educated and open minded friends are hard core Aounis. They sound like a bunch of paranoid "zionist conspiracy" gurus. I just don't get his influence. He looks like a loony jeddo to me but hey! which one of these morons oozes charisma and leadership??? Back to the Aounis conspiracy theory: a world wide plot to "tawteen 400 alf falastini"...

  • At 9/4/07, 12:55 PM, Blogger Bad Vilbel said…

    Don't get me started on the conspiracy theories.

    Lebanese people are so addicted to them that we're so easily manipulated. Every leader (on both sides of the current divide,as well as in decades past) has but to play on the tribal and ancestral fears to completely obscure the reality of the situation and confuse his followers.

    If you're Christian:
    - Islamizing Lebanon
    - Settling the Palestinians
    - Eroding the power of the Christians or Maronites.

    Those will work every time.

    If you're muslim:
    - Zionist conspiracy to rule Greater Israel
    - Settling the Palestinians (oddly enough, this one works on both sides).
    - Oppressed Shia (for the shia).

    It's so freaking easy...

  • At 9/4/07, 7:38 PM, Blogger JoseyWales said…

    Thanks BV and anon,

    The latest is Aoun (seriously) calling himself a consensus candidate for prez.

  • At 9/5/07, 2:01 PM, Blogger Bad Vilbel said…

    Hahahaha. Aoun a consensus candidate?????? Wait...Did I read that right??? You're making it up, right? Seriously!? No foolin!

    In all seriousness, it was pretty clear to me that Aoun never had a chance at becoming president (going back a good 2 years). And his chances have decreased even more of late. Come Sept. 25th Aoun will be pretty much finished, if you ask me.

    He was a useful idiot, for Syria. They strung him along, used him as bait in the "bait and switch" scheme (the switch being Suleiman) and he played along the whole time thinking he honestly had a shot at the presidency (and he really never did).

    I'd be feeling sorry for him right about now...but i'm not.

  • At 9/5/07, 2:19 PM, Blogger JoseyWales said…


    From the man himself (Daily Star):

    QUOTE: At the same time, Aoun declared himself both the "consensus candidate" and the "confrontational candidate."

    "If they want either ... I am ready," he told reporters during a news conference held at his residence in Rabiyeh. END QUOTE


    Elsewhere, he reiterated he was the consensus guy.


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