Risky Fad: Siniora is a Star
In the past few days, PM Siniora* stopped impersonating a "caracon" sergeant, who merely reports the number of dead and wounded, and said "no" to Condi Rice and later went on to shed a few tears during an emotional speech before the useless meeting of useless people (Arab Foreign Ministers) from the useless Arab League.
And now bloggers, friends and family, and political commentators are all fawning about an "emerging leader", a "wise man", an "historic PM".
I think these words are at the very least premature, if not plain wrong. Bloggers know I have dubbed him "Milquetoast" Siniora.
Don't misunderstand me. I believe PM Siniora is a decent man in a very tight spot. I believe PM Siniora is well intentioned and that his tears were heart-felt for the plight of his fellow citizens. However, that can be said of most Lebanese and is not enough to make one a historic leader.
What is needed from a leader in times of war, is bold action, strong words, and vision. None of which appear forthcoming. The government is now talking about sending the army to the south, a welcome move but a move that is a year too late.
When the Iranian and/or Syrian Foreign Ministers contradicts, from Lebanese soil, the Lebanese government's view on a cease-fire resolution, I don't want to hear it's "over the limit". I want my PM to kick their butts out (sorta like Rice).
Siniora, at least, ought to have had the Iranian ambassador recalled. What could happen? Iran might stop shipping us rockets? Nasrallah is going to howl? Even better! Embarrass the crap out of him by looking strong, and taking the initiative. That is how people rally around you.
Siniora has yet to be clear on his government's position on crucial matters, including Hezbollah.
I understand the need to be cautious with Hezbollah, but Lebanon got in this mess by having an incoherent policy, and won't get out of the mess by remaining incoherent.
Here are a few notes from the Charlie Rose interview (Aug 4 show) and his "tears" speech at the Arab League meeting (paraphrasing):
- Siniora: The core problem is/was Shebaa, prisoners in Israel and the mines. That is disingenuous, as he knows Hezbollah is on the record saying that that is not enough, and the Jewish State has no right to exist. I never heard Siniora or Hezbo say "solve these and we have no problem". Siniora may have wanted to, but did not do it. So spare me.
- Siniora: Hezbollah did not tell the government about the attack, so the government cannot be held responsible. Ok Fouad, you are a 4-year old, I am three, and it's all one big joke. (????)
- Siniora: We don’t want Lebanon to be the punching bag for all the regional causes. Then he rants about the Golan Heights and Gaza and the 1967 territories. You don’t want to be a punching bag? Use your head and disengage yourself from the regional issues (to the extent you can). The Golan is a bigger problem for Syria. Why are Syria's' bridges still standing?
-Siniora: Our "Ourouba" [Arabism/arabness] is not conditional. What the hell does that mean? I say it should be EXTREMELY "conditional". Maybe it should be on OUR own terms. That's exactly HOW we became the "punching bag", Foufou. All others are "conditional" Arabs. We're the only unconditional buffoons, with results before our very eyes. A connection there? Ya think? Naahhh!
- Siniora: Let's solve the Lebanese problem (Shebaa etc) and then we can solve the regional problem and have peace. Seconds later. It’s the other way around: Solve Palestine, so Lebanon can have peace. OK I am lost. Which is it?
- Siniora: The protection of Lebanon is the job of the government. Thanks for the news flash Fouad. When is that job going to start? And do you still need Nasrallah's OK for this?
- Siniora: Let's have land for peace (in the region) and solve the whole mess, then Lebanon will be the "last" one to sign peace with Israel. Fine, so it's not just about Shebaa and the mine map, is it? Apparently there is a list of countries, and we are at the bottom of it. (Fine, I don't care, but let's be clear as to why.)
So in my "summary": If not Shebaa-etc then we are linked to other problems. And if we are, then we are likely to become the punching bag, especially if the government is not in charge, which it wants to be, but can't really because of Hezbollah…
Do you get the sinking feeling there is no coherence and we are going in circles trying to catch our own tail?
Coherence and honesty are NECESSARY for a sane successful policy (i.e. where people are not killed). We are not there yet.
And no, Siniora is just a decent man, an incompetent PM who is still spewing deadly inane cliches. By hailing mediocrity and dereliction of duty we perpetuate both.
I hope Siniora does grow quickly into the leader some bloggers "see", though time has almost run out. In the meantime, the stage is still hogged by Nasrallah and his mad agenda.
*or Saniora or Seniora or Sanioura.
43 Comments:
At 8/8/06, 9:50 AM, Anonymous said…
Siniora got the agreement of Hizbullah, Syria and Iran to deploy the Lebanese army because all of the know that it does not dare to touch the Hizbullah, stop it, or disarm it. It just will not happen.
Did you know that Seniora negotiated the wording of the French- American draft resolution and had agreed, then changed his position because of Hizbullah and their paymasters? Embarassing the French and the Americans!
Do you really think that the Israelis will fall for this "crap" of 15 000 Lebanese soldiers?
Seniora should stop crying and start acting!!!
Will a half shiite Lebanese army, that had shown nothing but impotence prevent the Hizb. from penetrating the South? From smuggling weapons from Iran and Syria through the Syrian border?
Will it disarm the Hizbullah?
This is a non -starter ( based on deplorable past experience). They were supposed to be deployed after the Israeli withdrawal 6 years ago. What they did not do 6 years ago they will do now?
The widening arena of Hezbollah’s attacks stemmed from Nasrallah’s perception that Jews anywhere are legitimate targets. In fact, Nasarallah has said: If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)
Shiite scholar Amal Saad-Ghorayeb analyzed the anti-Jewish roots of Hezbollah ideology in her book Hezbollah: Politics & Religion. In it, she quotes Hassan Nasrallah describing his antipathy toward Jews: If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002)
Nasrallah also incoroporates anti-Semitic rhetoric in speeches. For example, he has characterized Jews as the “grandsons of apes and pigs” and “Allah’s most cowardly and greedy creatures.” (MEMRI: Al- Manar, Feb. 3, 2006)
Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan [America] is absolute …
I conclude my speech with the slogan that will continue to reverberate on all occasions so that nobody will think that we have weakened. Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America. (BBC Monitoring: Al-Manar, Sep. 27, 2002)
It is our pride that the Great Satan (U.S.) and the head of despotism, corruption and arrogance in modern times considers us as an enemy that should be listed in the terrorism list…I say to every member of Hezbollah (should) be happy and proud that your party has been placed on the list of terrorist organizations as the U.S. view it. (United Press International, Nov. 4, 2001)
Martyrdom operations - suicide bombings - should be exported outside Palestine. I encourage Palestinians to take suicide bombings worldwide. Don’t be shy about it. (Washington Times, Dec. 6, 2002)
At 8/8/06, 9:56 AM, Anonymous said…
And again: Bravo!
In a couple of sentences you've managed to dissect, and destroy bunch of propaganda.
At 8/8/06, 10:50 AM, Anonymous said…
Josey,
I hope that you will forgive me for doing this. I had a few posts yesterday on this subject and I figured that two were on Blogs with very little traffic that you will not be offended if I repost them here.
BTW, feel free to delete the posts in question if you do not care for this practice, which I have never practiced before.
At 9:57 PM, August 07, 2006, Ghassan said...
How true how true. Half measures seem to rule the day. Has there ever been anything more than a half measyre in the history of the country. It seems that this formulaof "No winner No loser" is ingrained in the national character, it is part of the DNA. To top things of, Fouad Siniora gets high marks and all sorts of accolades today not for his leadership, his courage or his ability to be cool under fire but simply because he choked. In my book that is not an accomplishment to be measured by. If the ability to cry is that important then we should install an actor in that post. I do not question Mr. Sinioras' sincerity but I sure question his accomplishments or to be more precise his lack of accomplishments.
In the same sense that cream always rises to the top strong and reliable leaders shine in a crisis. So far I am at a loss to point except to one such leader in Lebanon who has had the courage not to equivocate, the ability to be incisive in his analysis and the grace to be cool under fire. I nominate Walid Jumblatt to be the sole person in charge of the Lebanese government. (And please do not tell me that he is a Druze and thus cannot be either President or PM. He is Lebanese and these are the only credentials that he needs.
At 9:57 PM, August 07, 2006, Ghassan said...
How true how true. Half measures seem to rule the day. Has there ever been anything more than a half measyre in the history of the country. It seems that this formulaof "No winner No loser" is ingrained in the national character, it is part of the DNA. To top things of, Fouad Siniora gets high marks and all sorts of accolades today not for his leadership, his courage or his ability to be cool under fire but simply because he choked. In my book that is not an accomplishment to be measured by. If the ability to cry is that important then we should install an actor in that post. I do not question Mr. Sinioras' sincerity but I sure question his accomplishments or to be more precise his lack of accomplishments.
In the same sense that cream always rises to the top strong and reliable leaders shine in a crisis. So far I am at a loss to point except to one such leader in Lebanon who has had the courage not to equivocate, the ability to be incisive in his analysis and the grace to be cool under fire. I nominate Walid Jumblatt to be the sole person in charge of the Lebanese government. (And please do not tell me that he is a Druze and thus cannot be either President or PM. He is Lebanese and these are the only credentials that he needs.
At 8/8/06, 10:58 AM, JoseyWales said…
Your comments are welcome Gus.
I know you're no serial cutter-and-paster.
What worries me (look at the Leb blogs and talk to your friends) is the number of people impressed by this pathetic and outright dangerous (non)performance.
At 8/8/06, 11:01 AM, Anonymous said…
"Siniora, at least, ought to have had the Iranian ambassador recalled. "
Easier said than done. DOn't forget that he needs the signature from the foreign minister which is part of an Iranian fifth column.
At 8/8/06, 11:05 AM, Anonymous said…
"It seems that this formulaof "No winner No loser" is ingrained in the national character, it is part of the DNA. "
We have corrupted DNA because Lebanon is the result of a monstruous breeding between Levantine Christians and Arab Muslims. THis is why we keep clashing on even the most fundamental issues.
At 8/8/06, 3:59 PM, Anonymous said…
Vox, every now and again you relapse into some maniac political Maronist nutter. Do you take medication for your psychological problems?
At 8/8/06, 5:41 PM, Anonymous said…
You are so right - Sanioura's performance was pathetic - Full of contradiction - What amazes me most is the attitude of the other "brothers" - Look at Amr Moussa... at Walid Moallem ... at even the Iranian FM Mottaki... Why the hell do the lebanese let them get away with their comments ??? I am really questionning the existence of something called the Lebanese Government.... Bad and Sad
At 8/8/06, 7:48 PM, Anonymous said…
OK EINSTEIN, POST A SPEECH AND LETS SEE HOW YOU WOULD HAVE MADE IT BETTER. YES THE LEBANESE PROBLEM IS CONNECTED TO ALL THE OTHER ARAB PROBLEMS. YES IT IS CONNECTED TO THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST STATE. AND IT IS CONNECTED TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 400 000 PALESTINIAN REFUGEES IN CAMPS. LETS A LOT OF REFUGEES WHEN THE WHOLE LEBANESE POPULATION IS ABOUT 3.8 MILLION. WHAT DO U DO WITH THE REFUGEES. WHAT DO U DO ABOUT SHEBAA WHICH I CAN ASSURE U ITS LEBANESE, I KNOW FOR A FACT OF LEBANESE CITIZENS WITH LAND DEEDS IN THE SHEBAA FARMS. WHAT DO U DO WITH THE THOUSANDS OF LAND MINES PLANTED BY ISRAEL IN THE SOUTH AND THEY REFUSE TO GIVE US THE MAPS ILLUSTRATING WHERE THE MINES ARE. WHAT DO U DO ABOUT THE REGULAR ISRAELI FIGHTER JETS AND BOATS VIOLATING OUR WATERS AND AIRSPACE. IF IT WASNT FOR HEZBALLAHS RESISTANCE THE SOUTH WILL STILL BE UNDER THEIR CONTROL. ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE PART OF ISRAEL FOR GOOD BY NOW. AND IN A TINY COUNTRY LIKE LEBANON EVERY MILE COUNTS. I DONT MIND MAKING PEACE WITH THE ENEMY ONLY IF THE ENEMY CAN TALK PEACE. BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY CANNOT. SO AL MAWT LI ISRAEEL.
P.S: AS MUCH AS YOU HATE IT BUT HIZBALLAH ARE AS LEBANESE AS YOU AND ME. THE SHI3A ARE PART OF LEBANON AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH THEM AND ACCEPT THEM.
GO AHEAD, KNOCK ME OUT WITH YOUR SPEECH.
At 8/8/06, 8:55 PM, JoseyWales said…
lf
Read my previous entries ("Siniora do your job", "Circus of Irrelevance" and others), and you'll find what I think, and what I thought before all this happened.
I am not going to write you "my" speech. I have little time for nuts like you (and the CAPS make you look even nuttier).
I have 2 questions for you?
1) What did the fighting achieve?
2) Since you correctly believe that the South is as much part of Lebanon as Achrafieh and Shebaa, why are you not in the South with your AK47, instead of posting farty ideas?
Finally if you don't find this blog useful, kiss off.
At 8/9/06, 12:01 AM, Anonymous said…
answers to your stupid questions:
1: WHAT THE FIGHTING HAS PROVEN IS THAT THOSE ZIONIST MOTHER FUCKERS AINT THOSE UNDESTRUCTIBLE FIGHTING FORCE THAT ARABS USED TO THINK THEY WERE. LEBANON IS A TINY COUNTRY AND WE STOOD UP TO THE SO CALLED MIGHT OF THE USA. ALMOST A MONTH INTO THE WAR AND THEY HAVE ACHIEVED NOTHING. BAGHDAD FELL IN 21 DAYS. ALL MY RESPECT GOES TO HIZBALLAH.
2: I'M NOT IN THE SOUTH FIGHTING BECAUSE IM NOT A MEMBER OF HIZBALLAH, BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB SO FAR, AND I'M WAITING IN BEIRUT FOR THEM FUCKING ZIONIST COCKSUCKERS.
I ONLY VISIT THIS BLOG TO SEE WHAT THE STUPID ZIONIST ASSHOLES GOTTA SAY, AND TO SEE WHAT THE STUPID LEBANESE AMERICAN-WANNABE WHO RAN AWAY FROM LEBANON AND NOW THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE PPL IN LEBANON GOTTA SAY TOO. SO SCREW ISRAEL THE STATE OF TERROR. SCREW THEM JEWS WITH THEIR SKULL CAPS AND SILLY CURLS. SCREW THE WAY THEY ROCK BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS LIKE MENTALLY RETARDED FOOLS WHEN THEY PRAY. SCREW ALL AMERICANS. AND SCREW ALL LEBANESE THAT THINK THEY ARE AMERICAN NOW.
I CHALLENGE YOU TO HAVE THE GUTS NOT TO ERASE THIS COMMENT. IF YOU ERASE IT THEN SCREW U TOO.
ALLAH OUWEIT LEBNEIN HAKIM W BAS
At 8/9/06, 8:00 AM, JoseyWales said…
Ok Tough Guy lf.
I got it.
-Let's burn the country to make a
point.
-If I criticize an inept gvmnt, I am a zionist puppet.
-You are a rah-rah Hezbo supporter, but you await the zionists in you safe Beirut basement.
-You are also a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE, no one from Lebanon visited my blog at the time of your post.
Do no bother posting on this blog again.
At 8/9/06, 11:53 AM, Anonymous said…
to IF who signs ALLAH OUWEIT LEBNEIN HAKIM W BAS.
You are a real pathetic idiot to thinkl like you do. I followers of the OUWWET are like you and like Michel Aoun, then there is no hope for Lebanon. You deserve what you are getting. And if you think that you have "resisted" because Israel has not yet reached Beyrouth, then you are really a moron...
At 8/9/06, 12:06 PM, Anonymous said…
My heart cries out for my beloved Lebanese friends. Alas, Lebanon has stil it's GOVERNMENT IN SYRIA,
IT'S ARMY IN THE JAWS OF NASRALLAH
And IT'S PEOPLE In Paris in Africa in South America and in Canada and the US.
Who is this idiot "IF" that swallows Nasrallah's propganda crap hook sinker and line.
For Shabaa farms you do not need 15 000 rockets and Iran does not give free lunches- Lebanon is enslaved. As far as I know, Israel does not have territrial ambitions in Lebanon. It is not territory it is only the stupidity of the Irano Syrian fifth column in Lebanon. Is it worth to destroy Lebanon so that Nasrallah can make fancy speeches?
Do not cry victory stupid. Israel did not use even a fraction of it's power.
Join Al Sakaf ( comical Ali) and Al Marhum Abed Al Nasser that cried victory when he was defeated shamefully.Live your fantasies soon you will join the 72 virgins.
At 8/9/06, 12:14 PM, M. Simon said…
Josey,
I blogged this at: Prime Minister's Speech Sub-Prime.
I cleaned up the formating some.
At 8/9/06, 12:39 PM, Anonymous said…
Hey people! IF is in the USA???? What arwe u doing there? You were "evacuated" or what??? You should stay in Lebanon with your friends Zibballah, the Tayyar and the Marada ya Khawaja IF
At 8/9/06, 1:19 PM, JoseyWales said…
fearless,
Welcome to this blog. Please keep comments SHORT and to the point. Long and/or full articles should be linked not copied, thanks.
At 8/9/06, 4:02 PM, Steve said…
Great Blog!
In all the discussions about ending the conflict, the return of Shebaa Farms and the release of Lebanese prisoners in Israel are two main points. From what I've read: Shebaa Farms, albeit occupied by Israel, is Syrian territory and are there not more Lebanese being held in Syria than in Israel? How does the Lebanese government explain that when they justify Hezbullah's actions?
At 8/9/06, 5:27 PM, Bad Vilbel said…
Excellent post, Josey Wales.
I'd like to see a "historical leader" emerge by placing Nasrallah under arrest for treason. Not gonna happen though.
At 8/10/06, 6:22 AM, Wil said…
Hey, JW. Don't know if I am one of the bloggers you mention who see Saniora as a great leader. Still, I want to believe it. I want to consider Saniora as my last hope. Can I do that ? Be a believer for once ?
You're still my man.
At 8/10/06, 6:49 AM, JoseyWales said…
Thanks Wil,
I hope you guys are right, I really do (see the discussion on Beltway's Siniora Strikes Back).
What I am seeing so far, leaves me still very uneasy: Siniora still glorifying Hezbo and still very cautious on the army thing.
Nasrallah hijacked the Shia, then he hikacked the state. Siniora's response is DISPROPORTIONATE, on the side of small.
Again hope Siniora's boosters are right, but need more evidence.
At 8/10/06, 7:15 AM, Anonymous said…
L'Orient Le Jour - Liban
Fallait-il toutes ces années et tous ces morts pour déployer l’armée à la frontière ?
Par Émile KHOURY
Maintenant que la décision de déployer la troupe au Liban-Sud est prise, et en attendant qu’elle soit exécutée, la question que beaucoup se posent est la suivante : fallait-il tant de morts, de destructions et de souffrances pour en arriver là ? Et cette décision, si souvent prise par le passé, et jamais appliquée, le sera-t-elle cette fois ?
La première de ces questions, bien évidemment, est condamnée à rester sans réponse. L’histoire ne fait pas marche arrière. Mais il n’est pas indifférent de faire l’historique des tentatives manquées de déployer l’armée au Liban-Sud, pour éteindre ce foyer permanent de tension qu’est cette région du pays. Et d’en tirer éventuellement les leçons.
Tout le monde garde à l’esprit la position du président Émile Lahoud, qui refuse depuis 1998, date de son entrée en fonction, d’envoyer l’armée au Sud, sous prétexte que « l’armée n’a pas à garder les frontières d’Israël » et que cet envoi serait « un piège » destiné à mettre face à face l’armée et le Hezbollah.
At 8/10/06, 7:20 AM, Anonymous said…
Les gouvernements arabes modérés sont tout à fait conscients des enjeux de cette guerre : l'hégémonie régionale de la Syrie sur le Liban et la Palestine et, à une plus grande échelle, l'hégémonie revendiquée par l'Iran sur tout le Moyen-Orient. Toutefois, la guerre au Liban et à Gaza pourrait bien se révéler le résultat d'une grave erreur d'appréciation de la part des radicaux. Lancer des missiles sur Haïfa, troisième ville la plus importante d'Israël, constituait la limite à ne pas franchir. Cet acte aura de graves répercussions, car il a mis en lumière qu'au-delà des questions de territoire, de restitution, ou d'occupation, le projet radical posait la question de la pérennité d'Israël.
Mais le front radical du refus a sous-estimé la détermination d'Israël ainsi que sa force de dissuasion. Il a aussi révélé au monde entier les aspirations hégémoniques de l'Iran. La folie de cette situation est évidente : il ne faut pas beaucoup d'imagination pour voir ce à quoi le Moyen-Orient ressemblerait si une protection nucléaire iranienne abritait les radicaux. Et ce mauvais calcul deviendra flagrant à mesure que quatre éléments s'imposeront dans ce conflit :
- le refus d'Israël de se laisser aspirer dans un conflit terrestre au Liban ;
- la mise en oeuvre de la résolution 1559 des Nations unies, qui prévoit le désarmement de toutes les milices du Liban avec l'aide de la communauté internationale et rend tout retour au statu quo impossible ;
- la transformation de la coalition composée de pays arabes modérés (dont les Palestiniens modérés), et pour l'heure à l'état de germe, en initiative de paix robuste et sérieuse ;
- l'engagement solide du Quartet, avec une forte participation des Etats-Unis, pour trouver enfin une solution viable à la question de la Palestine et pour apporter à ce pays les garanties politiques, économiques et militaires nécessaires à sa survie.
Israël a un rôle essentiel à jouer. Par deux fois, il a procédé à des retraits unilatéraux de ses troupes derrière ses frontières, au Liban sud et à Gaza. Par deux fois, la "terre de paix" prônée par Israël s'est transformée en "terre de guerre".
Israël vit donc sous la menace, et l'idée de faire la paix avec ses voisins arabes semble plus improbable que jamais. Pourtant, je pense que cette guerre au Liban peut ouvrir une nouvelle voie au processus de paix.
At 8/10/06, 7:34 AM, Anonymous said…
Delbarre is absolutely right. Do you see Christian and Sunni soldiers of the Lebanese army confronting th Hizbullah in Shiite territory without provoking a civil war?
Not to speak that Shiite soldiers side with Hizbullah and will do nothing to stop or diarm Hizbullah's Iranian agents.
fr.rian.ru
Nasrallah dirige les opérations du Hezbollah depuis l'ambassade de l'Iran à Beyrouth (politologue)
WASHINGTON, 9 août - RIA Novosti. Hassan Nasrallah dirige les opérations militaires du Hezbollah depuis l'ambassade de l'Iran à Beyrouth, a affirmé mercredi Arnaud de Borchgrave, directeur du Projet des menaces transnationales au Centre d'études stratégiques et internationales de Washington.
"Nasrallah dirige cette guerre depuis un abri à l'ambassade iranienne à Beyrouth", a notamment déclaré ce célèbre politologue américain, intervenant en direct à la chaîne de télévision Fox.
At 8/10/06, 7:44 AM, Anonymous said…
Many of the missiles recently fired at Israel were stored and launched from
or near private homes, commandeered by Hizbullah terrorists wishing to
shield their actions behind civilians in order to thwart Israel's response.
IDF video clips provide photographic evidence of the location of Hizbullah
missiles and weapons:
IDF video 8: Hizbullah launches missiles towards Haifa (Aug 6)
IDF video 9: Hizbullah launches missiles from village of Barashit (Aug 6)
IDF video 10: Hizbullah stations anti-aircraft cannon in residential area
Video links:
IDF video 8:
www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/F1BFF460-0692-4D15-AD4A-408B2D5456DE/0/HizbullahlaunchesmissilestowardsHaifa.wmv
IDF video 9:
www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/EF95CBD3-8CD0-4751-98C5-F66CF5617221/0/HizbullahBarashitLaunch.wmv
IDF video 10:
www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/658BCC12-09F9-491A-9018-D96661C9042C/0/AAGunamongHouses.wmv
For additional video clips and photos see
www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2006/Operation+Change+of+Direction+Video+Clips.htm
At 8/11/06, 6:10 AM, Anonymous said…
Les faux griefs du Liban et du Hezbollah
Quelques questions ne sont jamais soulevées par les médias. Le perpétuel procès à charge contre Israël reste exemplaire de la manipulation de l’opinion publique française.
Derrière les médias se cachent bien entendu les politiques. Certains sont incompétents et incapables d’imposer leur marque à l'administration dogmatique et essouflée du Quai d’Orsay (Douste Blazy), d’autres sont plus cyniquement anti-israéliens (Védrines, Chirac, etc…).
1) Le Liban se plaint de ne pas avoir toute sa souveraineté sur son territoire
Une modification du statu quo ne pourra survenir que lorsque le Liban aura entamé de vraies négociations avec Israël. Or, le Liban refuse toute négociation directe avec l’état hébreu, que ce soit sur le tracé de la frontière (d'ou l'intervention de l'ONU sur ce dossier) ou sur quoi que ce soit d'autre.
Il s'adresse à un tiers ou se contente de rendre publiques ses revendications.
2) Les prisonniers réclamés par le Liban
Le Liban et le Hezbollah se plaignent qu’Israël n’ait pas libéré des prisonniers libanais.
Le Hezbollah prétend que trois libanais seraient emprisonnés en Israël:
- un pécheur perdu en haute mer. Israël n’a jamais fait entendu parler d’un pécheur dont le Hezbollah est bien incapable de citer même le nom. On ne voit pas comment Israël aurait pu appréhendé quelqu’un qui n’existe pas.
- un certain Nassim : cette histoire est exacte. Une histoire d’ailleurs rocambolesque d'un type ayant la double nationalité - libanaise et israélienne - et qui aurait travaillé pour le compte du Hezbollah. Il a été condamné pour espionnage. Comme il est aussi israélien, cela ressort de la responsabilité d’Israël.
- Samir Kountar: Druze libanais, celui ci s'infiltre en Israël avec son commando terroriste en 1979, et tue 5 personnes (4 civils et un policier) à Nahariya. Kountar a lui même tué à mains nues une fillette de 4 ans ! Il est capturé avec ses acolytes, puis condamné à perpétuité.
Lors de l'échange Israël-Hezbollah en 2004 (3 soldats israéliens et un civil contre des prisonniers libanais et autres), Kuntar en est exclu.
Il est convenu entre Israël et le Liban qu'il sera libéré contre des informations crédibles sur le sort du pilote israélien fait prisonnier et disparu Ron Arad. Le Hezbollah remet par la suite un échantillon biologique d'un cadavre censé être celui d'Arad. Les médecins légistes israéliens révèlent la supercherie : ces restes n'ont aucun rapport avec l'aviateur, prisonnier du Hezbollah dès les années 80 et dont on est sans nouvelles depuis de longues années.
L'échange supplémentaire n'aura donc pas lieu. Kuntar continue de purger sa peine en Israël. Inutile d'ajouter qu'il a droit a tous les privilèges d'un prisonnier: visites d'avocats, visites de la Croix rouge, contact avec l'extérieur, études universitaires etc.... Par contre, la famille de Ron Arad ne sait pas ce qu’il est advenu de lui.
Est-ce donc pour cet assassin dûment condamné que le Hezbollah enlève des soldats israéliens, en tue d’autres et tire des Katiouchas sur les civils juifs et arabes de Galilée ?
3) L’Affaire Mahjoub
Il s’agit d’un responsable du Jihad Islamique assassiné il y a quelques mois par une charge explosive dans sa voiture. Les libanais ont immédiatement accusé le Mossad (comme ils le font à chaque attentat ou presque..) sans en fournir des preuves. On se souvient que le Mossad a été immédiatement accusé lors de l’attentat contre Hariri. Quelques heures à peine, les soupçons se portaient à juste titre contre la Syrie. Mais le mal était fait.
Quand bien même on admettrait la thèse d'un attentat du Mossad, ce serait contre un responsable d'une organisation en guerre ouverte avec Israël, ayant commis de nombreux attentats suicide, et donc étant devenu une cible légitime.
Quel rapport avec les tirs indiscriminés de roquettes contre les localités israéliennes, avant le retrait de 2000 et après?
Quel rapport avec la création d'un état dans l'état, défiant l'autorité du gouvernement libanais et se soumettant aux ordres et aux inserts de l'Iran?
Le Liban ne peut pas continuer à abriter tous les assassins d'Israéliens !
4) Les Fermes de Shebaa
C'est un territoire vierge de 9 km² entre le Liban, la Syrie et Israël. Ces "fermes" seraient occupées par Israël, qui refuserait de les rendre au Liban. Or, ce territoire a été conquis à la Syrie lors de la guerre de 1967.
Encore un prétexte du Hezbollah ! Devant l'absence de relations diplomatiques entre Liban, Syrie et Israël, c'est l'ONU qui a décidé du tracé de la frontière Israélo-Libanaise.
C'est bien l'ONU (et pas Israël) qui a déclaré à maintes reprises que la zone dite "des fermes de Shebaa" n'appartenait pas au Liban mais à la Syrie. Si la Syrie voulait transférer la souveraineté de cette zone au Liban, elle devrait rendre compte de sa décision par lettre officielle à l'ONU, ce qui n'a jamais été fait.
La Syrie refuse toujours d'obéir à la résolution 1680 du Conseil de Sécurité exigeant que ce pays établisse des relations diplomatiques avec le Liban et accepte de tracer officiellement sa frontière avec ce pays.
S'il y a un problème Shebaa, il est dû aux relations Syro Libanaises, et de toute manière les griefs doivent être adressés à l'ONU, pas à Israël.
Ces quelques éléments ne modifieront en rien les exigences des pays arabes et de la France pour un cessez-le-feu immédiat et sans conditions au Liban.
Mais il importe de savoir de quoi on parle et surtout avec qui.
At 8/13/06, 1:24 PM, Anonymous said…
Seniorita in a bind!
13-8-06 20.00 hrs
Tehran has meanwhile ordered Nasrallah to keep Israel engaged in combat for another 3 to 4. As a result of which he suddenly backed away from his pledges to France and the Siniora government Saturday to accept a ceasefire and a UNIFIL force in south Lebanon.
At five minutes notice, the thunderstruck Lebanese ministers called off their meeting to discuss the deployment of their forces in the south and the disarming of Hizballah
The Lebanese government postponed a meeting Sunday afternoon on disarming Hizballah. Nasrallah reversed his conditional consent to the UN ceasefire which included a veto on an arms embargo and Hizballah’s withdrawal from Lebanon.
Then, after the Israeli cabinet approved the UN ceasefire, he told the Siniora government the deal was off. Iran and Syria warned the Lebanese government not to let its troops and the 15,000-strong international force try and disarm Hizballah.
At 8/14/06, 1:31 AM, Anonymous said…
Well Joseywales, you gave me some laughs while reading your post. You're right most of the time. But, besides being a decent man, I think he did have a big influence in what happened, although I think he could've done it better. It's so funny how always in Lebanon, we have to lose people to death to realise a step that should be done that could help our country.
So am assuming another 1000 dead while disarming Hezbollah.
At 8/14/06, 6:47 AM, Anonymous said…
Now Nasrallah an Iranian and Syrian agent will cry Victory
He destroyed half of Lebanon got at least 1000 Lebanese killed. Not counting his crazed adepts. Here is a partial list:
List of 180 dead Hezbollah terrorists released of an estimated 530 killed
since start of fighting
Over the last two days the IDF dropped leaflets over Lebanon containing
lists of Hezbollah terrorists killed in fighting with IDF forces. The lists
contain the names of 180 terrorists killed and whose identities were
verified by IDF forces. (The IDF holds the names of additional Hezbollah
terrorists whose deaths also have been confirmed.)
According to IDF estimates, over 530 Hezbollah terrorists have been killed
since the start of the fighting.
The IDF has also broadcast the lists of these names to the Lebanese public,
intermittently breaking into Hezbollah broadcasts on "Al Manar" television
and "Nur" radio station.
The leaflet with the list of the 180 names of the Hezbollah dead terrorists
(in Arabic) read:
"Nasrallah is lying to you, hiding the heavy losses in Hezbollah's ranks.
Below is a partial list of names, denied by Nasrallah, of those killed by
IDF forces:"
At 8/14/06, 6:51 AM, Anonymous said…
The same tune of Victory from Emile Lahoud, the Syrian stooge imposed on Lebanon. What I clll "His Master's Voice"
Kulu Kalb Biji Yawmo.
At 8/14/06, 5:04 PM, Anonymous said…
The following are excerpts from an interview with Lebanese Minister of Tourism Joe Sarkis, which aired on Noursat TV on August 11, 2006.
- Lebanese Tourism Minister Joe Sarkis: The War Is An Iranian
Attempt to Resolve Its Nuclear Issues through Lebanon; The Majority in the
Lebanese Government Should Be More Resolute, Rather Than Always Trying to
Reach a Consensus
Joe Sarkis: We have seen that some of the countries in the region, and
specifically Syria and Iran, are trying to impose their regional policies,
and [to resolve] their issues and problems through the Lebanese arena.
Lebanon can no longer tolerate being the arena for failed gambles, and for
the adventures and wars of others on Lebanese soil. As we have seen, the
Lebanese have fought and even gotten killed for the sake of others. This
makes no sense. True, Israel is our enemy, but are Syria and Iran really
fulfilling their duties of brotherhood and friendship towards Lebanon? I
don't think this is what we have seen. This has become evident from the way
the Syrian brothers have behaved for a whole year towards Lebanon, and today
it is also evident that the Iranians are trying to resolve their problems
with the international community, regarding the nuclear issues, through the
conflict in Lebanon.
[...]
We cannot tolerate this destruction and ruin anymore. People are being
killed, not knowing for what. Clearly, all that has happened does not serve
Lebanon's interest.
[...]
I admit that the Lebanese government should have been more resolute. We have
always tried to reach results through general agreement among the different
parties in the government, but we were not successful, and this certainly
does not speak well for the government.
Interviewer: But you are the majority, minister.
Joe Sarkis: That is true, but we have not exercised our majority as we
should have, or as is acceptable among governments, with the majority
overcoming the minority. Because of the composition of Lebanon, we have
tried as much as we could to make decisions - especially decisions of such
importance - by agreement and consensus. We were not successful, but I think
this war has taught us many things.
[...]
I hope all of us in Lebanon are aware that this war has not brought any
results. This war has shown that the only great loser is Lebanon.
Eventually, the war will end, and things will get back on track, but there
will be one loser - Lebanon. Therefore, I hope we have learned how not to
repeat such incidents, which take us backwards. On the contrary, this time
we insist on a final solution, so that these issues will not be reopened.
This solution can only be achieved through a strong Lebanese state, and
through a capable and efficient government, which would assume control over
things, as it should, and implement the law with full courage and strength,
which would guarantee that the country could go on.
TO VIEW THIS CLIP: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1235
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At 8/14/06, 7:40 PM, JoseyWales said…
Thanks anon,
Good to know there is one guy in the gvmnt who agrees who agrees with me.
BTW Joe Sarkis is the representaive of the Lebanese Forces in the gvmnt.
Goes to show that the Hakim and the Lebanese Forces (LF) disagree with that obnoxious nut poster here "lf".
At 8/15/06, 7:38 AM, Anonymous said…
Rice calls Lebanese PM to warn him that if the UN Lebanon resolution is not implemented, “We will not be responsible for the consequences”
At 8/15/06, 8:44 AM, Anonymous said…
The snake pit that is supposed to carry out UN resolution 1701 ( What about 1559?)
What are their PERSONAL agendas?
M. Siniora et en présence des ministres Élias Murr, Ahmad Fatfat, Jihad Azour, Mohammad Safadi, du commandant en chef de l’armée, le général Michel Sleimane, du directeur général des FSI, Achraf Rifi, du secrétaire général du Conseil supérieur de la défense, le général Saïd Eid, et des directeurs généraux de la Sûreté générale, Wafic Jezzini, de la Sécurité de l’État, Élias Kaaykati, des douanes, Assaad Ghanem, et des renseignements de l’armée, le général Georges Khoury.
À la presse, M. Fatfat devait ensuite annoncer qu’à partir de ce matin, l’armée prendra en charge toutes les voies d’accès terrestres au Liban, en application de la 1701, soulignant que le contrôle sera rigoureux au niveau de ces points. Le ministre a précisé que la réunion constitue « un prélude à la réouverture de l’aéroport, des ports, ainsi que de tous les points de passage, mais sous contrôle sécuritaire ». L’état de toutes les entrées maritimes, terrestres et aériennes du Liban a été « examiné longuement et en détail », selon le ministre.
Une deuxième réunion de sécurité se tiendra aujourd’hui au ministère de l’Intérieur en vue d’une coordination de l’action des différents services de sécurité à l’aéroport, et elle sera suivie, quarante-huit heures plus tard, d’une autre avec M. Siniora pour mettre la dernière main au mécanisme de contrôle de toutes les voies d’accès au pays, a expliqué M. Fatfat.
Elle aura également pour but d’évaluer les besoins de l’État à ce niveau, a-t-il ajouté, rappelant qu’une équipe allemande est attendue au Liban à l’initiative du secrétaire général de l’ONU, Kofi Annan, pour aider techniquement le gouvernement dans ce domaine.
At 8/15/06, 9:01 AM, JoseyWales said…
Roger et al,
Plse post sources and better yet just post links.
AGAIN:Long posts and whole articles will be deleted.
At 8/16/06, 6:48 AM, Anonymous said…
Disproportionate use of force
Chirac, the French president, described the Israeli response to the deadly attacks of the Hizballah
as a "disproportionate use of force". Let's review some historical details:
Algeria:
on May 8 1945 Algerians pressed a demand for independence. The French Army responded with overwhelming force killing more than 45,000 Algerians!
During the Algerian War of Independence (1954–62), brutal and long, Between 300,000 and 1 million Algerians are estimated to have died, and an additional 2 or 3 million were made into refugees or forcibly relocated into government-controlled camps.
Madagascar:
In 1946, the island of Madagascar became a French overseas territory. On March 29, 1947, Malagasy nationalists revolted against the French. As many as 89,000 were tortured and killed!
Vietnam:
more than 300,000 died when France used every force it had to capture their land.
At 8/16/06, 6:53 AM, Anonymous said…
Le Liban multicommunautaire est un bourbier, ce n'est pas en shootant dans la fourmilière qu'on résoud la situation, les israéliens se retrouvent à une situation similaire à celle des forces de la coalition en Afghanistan, à celle de l'armée française dans les Aurès(en réalité nous avions gagné sur le plan militaire, mais on a vu le résultat).
Je suis sceptique quant à l'efficacité d'une force multinationale d'interposition(en plus avec des bataillons turcs, indonésiens et malaisiens à côté des français et des italiens ça promet), l'OTAN eut été plus crédible.
Israël ne pourra jamais faire confiance à cette association de carpes et de lapins que l'on ose appeler "force d'interposition", le Hezbollah va se refaire une santé et le cycle guerrier reprendra.
Tsahal a éliminé le commandant de la force spéciale du Hezbollah
Avant même que le cessez-le-feu n’entre ne vigueur lundi matin, IDF a éliminé le commandant de la force spéciale du Hezbollah, Sadjad Dawir. On estime au sein de l’armée que l’élimination de ce chef terroriste porte un rude coup à l’organisation terroriste et représente un objectif non négligeable atteint par IDF.
At 8/17/06, 11:26 PM, M. Simon said…
Slightly OT:
The cost of the war to Iran:
Cash Flow Jihad Meets Aftermath
America is running a cash blockade on Iran.
At 8/18/06, 10:35 AM, Anonymous said…
Prepare for Faluja 2 only worse!
Thursday was supposedly a historic day in Lebanon. For the first time in 30
years, the Lebanese Army deployed south of the Litani River. This time, too,
as was expected, the civilians threw rice at yet another military force.
But, as the leading Lebanese officer on the scene read out the unit's
orders, the real picture emerged: "The army will deploy on the wounded
Lebanese land alongside the men of the resistance."
In other words: The Lebanese Army has no plans to drive Hezbollah out of the
South or to confront them.
Lebanon's president and commander in chief of the army, Emile Lahoud, made
it clear on Wednesday that Hezbollah would not be disarmed, not even in the
area south of the Litani River.
Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah may have
promised that his men will not carry their arms openly but they could
rebuild their bunkers and fill them up with rockets in preparation for the
next confrontation in the future.
Meanwhile, the deployment of the multinational force is being delayed, and
France is in no rush to send many soldiers.
UN Security Council Resolution
1701, passed a week ago, is already on the path to becoming meaningless.
While the Americans are declaring that the new forces in southern Lebanon
will not allow Hezbollah to resume their positions along the border,
Nasrallah is proving them wrong.
His forces are patroling without hindrance
in the villages of southern Lebanon (some of them not having left during the
fighting); they are recording the Israel Defense Forces activities, and are
giving interviews, while armed, to Arab television stations.
These developments are worrisome to the other religious groups in Lebanon
that fear an Iranian-Syrian takeover in the South.
Walid Jumblatt, Sa'ad al-Din Hariri and others sharply criticized Syrian President Bashar Assad for his efforts to intervene in domestic Lebanese politics.
But as far as they are concerned, the real threat stems from Hezbollah's plans to
reconstruct southern Lebanon, using billions of Iranian dollars that are
meant to further establish the organization in the country by pushing aside
the government organs.
It is not surprising therefore that there are celebrations in Tehran:
Thursday, a public transport company there announced a day of free travel in
the Iranian capital to celebrate Hezbollah's victory over Israel. In the
wake of the Israeli invasion, it turns out that the regime of the Ayatollahs
is on the verge of witnessing the realization of its dream for a "mini-Iran"
in southern Lebanon.
At 8/19/06, 12:38 AM, Anonymous said…
Hizballah’s attack on Israel, with the killing of eight soldiers and the abduction of two, precipitated a war between a democratic state and a terrorist organization armed and directed by other states. This conflict includes a variety of conflicts. As regional and international actors react, the future of the Middle East is in the balance.
Israel is not merely confronting Hizballah, therefore, but also arrayed against Israel is a “Quartet of Terror” including Iran, Syria, and Hamas. For its part, Hizballah is not just attacking Israel, but also the existence of Lebanon as it is currently constituted. While Lebanon and Israel have been previously embroiled in conflict, the fact that neither of them is ruled by a Muslim majority puts them both in a unique position in the region and vis-à-vis Hizballah. Lebanon’s diverse religious and ethnic composition, as well as its political balance, has been threatened by Hizballah’s policies. Over the past twenty years, Hizballah has succeeded in driving Christians from Lebanon and contributing to the diminished role in which Christians are no longer full partners in ruling that country.
In contrast to the traditional multiethnic character of Lebanon, Hizballah wants to turn Lebanon into a Shiite state that would negatively impact the regional order that has been predominantly Sunni. Moreover, Lebanon and Israel are both obstacles in Hizballah’s ultimate aim to create a society ruled by fundamentalist ideology.
At 8/19/06, 2:24 AM, Anonymous said…
1. Que les Libanais ne permettent plus des bombardements contre leur Etat voisin.
2. Que les Libanais ne permettent plus de kidnapping d'habitants de leur Etat voisin.
3. Sinon l'Etat voisin fera encore et toujours pan-pan cul-cul aux Libanais.
C'est quand même pas compliqué!
Est-ce la faute d'Israël qui aurait kidnappé des soldats libanais? Qui aurait tiré des roquettes avec la volonté de tuer des musulmans par une belle journée?
Est-ce la faute aux Francais qui étaient entrain de déjeuner?
Est-ce la faute aux Américains qui étaient entrain de reconstruire leurs tours jumelles?
Non TOUT est de la faute des femmes et des hommes Libanais. Tout!
Comme ca aurait été de la faute aux Hollandais si des roquettes étaient parties de leur territoire pour s'abattre sur Bruges et si des Belges étaient retenus en otage aux Pays-Bas.
Alternative?
Ne pas tirer des roquettes et kidnapper.
At 8/19/06, 11:40 AM, Anonymous said…
Non-state actors like the Hezbo crowd and al-Qaeda have no interest in graduating to statehood. They've got bigger fish to fry. If you're interested in establishing a global caliphate, getting a UN seat and an Olympic team only gets in the way. The "sovereign" state is of use to such groups merely as a base of operations, as Afghanistan was and Lebanon is. They act locally but they think globally.
And that indifference to the state can be contagious. Lebanon's Christians may think of themselves as "Lebanese," but most of Hezbollah's Shia constituency don't. Western analysts talk hopefully of fierce differences between Sunni and Shia, Arab and Persian, but it's interesting to note the numbers of young Sunni men in Egypt, Jordan and elsewhere in recent weeks who've decided that Iran's (Shia) President Ahmadinejad and his (Shia) Hezzbo proxies are the new cool kids in town. During the Nineties, we grew used to the idea that "non-state actors" meant a terrorist group, with maybe a few hundred activists, a few thousand supporters. What if entire populations are being transformed into "non-state actors"? Not terrorists, by any means, but at the very minimum entirely indifferent to the state of which they're nominally citizens.
Hence that statistic: seven per cent of British Muslims consider their primary identity to be British, 81 per cent consider it to be Muslim. By comparison, in the most populous Muslim nation on the planet, 39 per cent of Muslim Indonesians consider themselves Indonesian first, 36 per cent consider themselves Muslim first.
At 8/20/06, 6:46 AM, Anonymous said…
The Hizbullah already tells the Lebanese army where it can deploy in the South and where it cannot.
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